Comments on: Warcraft 3 /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/ Spotlight's Game Reviews Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:57:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Theophilus /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1802 Theophilus Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:05:59 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1802 @<a href="#comment-1516" rel="nofollow">Johan</a>: No one here (that I'm aware of) is an extremist. We all just want to be aware of the message being brought out in games and whether it is something that we <em>should</em> be playing and supporting (via buying the game) or not. I would suggest reading the " Gamers Code" on the bottom to understand what the point of this site is. To some extent I had felt (starting out here) the same way as you do about this site and that games are just games. However I have always felt that it's important for Christians to be <em>responsible</em> gamers, especially now that games have become more artistic. I can't understand Christians who get themselves involved in games where all you do is clearly evil stuff and where there is no overall redeeming value. If you like games where you can do those things and you enjoy it for its evil than I think there is something obviously morally wrong there. How you judge whether a game's good outweighs its bad is a different thing, as well as whether its bad should really even be taken seriously (as is the debate here, I think). This is really how I approach this site. And for the record, religion and games have and will continue to be connected whether or not you think they should be. Religion and art in general (and here we're also referring to video games as art, to which I agree with you) have and will continue to grow together, for better or for worse. I think there is a potential for good in this relation between art and video games though that hopefully future games will take advantage of. So in the future Johan please don't call anybody here extremists. We're all just trying to inform our consciences in order to make morally right decisions based on our faith. That doesn't make us "extremists." Rather, it makes us responsible Christians. @Johan:

No one here (that I’m aware of) is an extremist. We all just want to be aware of the message being brought out in games and whether it is something that we should be playing and supporting (via buying the game) or not. I would suggest reading the “ Gamers Code” on the bottom to understand what the point of this site is.

To some extent I had felt (starting out here) the same way as you do about this site and that games are just games. However I have always felt that it’s important for Christians to be responsible gamers, especially now that games have become more artistic. I can’t understand Christians who get themselves involved in games where all you do is clearly evil stuff and where there is no overall redeeming value. If you like games where you can do those things and you enjoy it for its evil than I think there is something obviously morally wrong there. How you judge whether a game’s good outweighs its bad is a different thing, as well as whether its bad should really even be taken seriously (as is the debate here, I think). This is really how I approach this site.

And for the record, religion and games have and will continue to be connected whether or not you think they should be. Religion and art in general (and here we’re also referring to video games as art, to which I agree with you) have and will continue to grow together, for better or for worse. I think there is a potential for good in this relation between art and video games though that hopefully future games will take advantage of.

So in the future Johan please don’t call anybody here extremists. We’re all just trying to inform our consciences in order to make morally right decisions based on our faith. That doesn’t make us “extremists.” Rather, it makes us responsible Christians.

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By: Balrog /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1801 Balrog Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:30:17 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1801 A few things the review forgot to mention: At the ending of the game, a prophet says something along the lines that the world doesn't need God and that mankind has their fates in their own hands. Definitely not the worldview. Also, it talks of self redemption. One of the characters becomes a 'chaos demon' by drinking from an evil fountain. later he 'frees himself' by choosing to kill a demon captain. There is no way we can redeem ourselves. We can only be redeemed by the grace of God and the love of Christ. I'm probably interpreting it a lot deeper then intended, but, if anyone is a deep thinker, they have to watch for the lies in this game and know the truth of the Bible. A few things the review forgot to mention: At the ending of the game, a prophet says something along the lines that the world doesn’t need God and that mankind has their fates in their own hands. Definitely not the worldview.

Also, it talks of self redemption. One of the characters becomes a ‘chaos demon’ by drinking from an evil fountain. later he ‘frees himself’ by choosing to kill a demon captain. There is no way we can redeem ourselves. We can only be redeemed by the grace of God and the love of Christ.

I’m probably interpreting it a lot deeper then intended, but, if anyone is a deep thinker, they have to watch for the lies in this game and know the truth of the Bible.

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By: Justin'n'time /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1696 Justin'n'time Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:28:13 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1696 Thank you all for your input. I am 15 and I was trying to decide if the Warcraft series was somthing I wuold want to play. after reading your input I have deciced to give it a try. Thank you all for your input. I am 15 and I was trying to decide if the Warcraft series was somthing I wuold want to play. after reading your input I have deciced to give it a try.

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By: Johan /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1516 Johan Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:48:13 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1516 Alright, i know this might be the right place for me to be, but i randomly entered this site by google. And, no offence, but are you guys mad? It is A GAME. A GAME! Warcraft III is an artwork of colored pixels and sound effects. I wouldn't have believed that such extremists were playing games anyway. I actually love playing as the undeads, as i believe both the effects and gameplay are the absolutely funniest while playing as them. And don't dare saying this makes a worse of me. I believe religion and entertainment, nor politics should be mixed together. I am not making this post to flame, nor offend any christians, but come on. It is a video game. Alright, i know this might be the right place for me to be, but i randomly entered this site by google. And, no offence, but are you guys mad? It is A GAME. A GAME!

Warcraft III is an artwork of colored pixels and sound effects. I wouldn’t have believed that such extremists were playing games anyway.

I actually love playing as the undeads, as i believe both the effects and gameplay are the absolutely funniest while playing as them. And don’t dare saying this makes a worse of me.

I believe religion and entertainment, nor politics should be mixed together.

I am not making this post to flame, nor offend any christians, but come on. It is a video game.

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By: Theophilus /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1434 Theophilus Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:36:37 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1434 I agree that the undead race is despicable and probably should not be played by a player. That being said there are many options in Warcraft 3 that allow you to be who you want (especially in the custom mode). I don't think you are going to go to hell for playing Warcraft 3. It's a strategy game at its core based around war tactics. The point is to become skilled in these tactics. I would suggest reading Matthew 15:17-20. I know people out there who are not "defiled" by playing games like Warcraft 3; they don't internalize the bad things but enjoy it for what it is: a strategy video game. I think we are all called, as gamers (especially those that play more mature games) not to internalize the bad things that are part of the games we play, no matter their size or form. I'm pretty sure that the commandments against divination, spells, etc. apply to gaining power through sources opposed to God (i.e. those from the devil). I don't believe we are really capable of any real magic unless we allow ourselves to be possessed (and therefore, not really in control of these powers). That being said, the fantasy magic in video games like Warcraft 3 exist in a realm where some people who are good are granted supernatural powers. These powers, as long as they are used in good ways, are not bad. Read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings series to get a sense of what I mean. That being said, I wouldn't recommend being the undead in Warcraft 3 unless you really want to beat the whole single player game and/or will not allow it to be internalized in yourself. And one more note, I'm not a huge Warcraft 3 fan nor am I a huge Warcraft fan in general (although I have played a lot of Warcraft 1-3). I'm only defending the good aspects of this game and not the bad. If you feel it is contrary to your faith as a then by no means should you play it. I agree that the undead race is despicable and probably should not be played by a player. That being said there are many options in Warcraft 3 that allow you to be who you want (especially in the custom mode). I don’t think you are going to go to hell for playing Warcraft 3. It’s a strategy game at its core based around war tactics. The point is to become skilled in these tactics.

I would suggest reading Matthew 15:17-20. I know people out there who are not “defiled” by playing games like Warcraft 3; they don’t internalize the bad things but enjoy it for what it is: a strategy video game. I think we are all called, as gamers (especially those that play more mature games) not to internalize the bad things that are part of the games we play, no matter their size or form.

I’m pretty sure that the commandments against divination, spells, etc. apply to gaining power through sources opposed to God (i.e. those from the devil). I don’t believe we are really capable of any real magic unless we allow ourselves to be possessed (and therefore, not really in control of these powers). That being said, the fantasy magic in video games like Warcraft 3 exist in a realm where some people who are good are granted supernatural powers. These powers, as long as they are used in good ways, are not bad. Read Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings series to get a sense of what I mean.

That being said, I wouldn’t recommend being the undead in Warcraft 3 unless you really want to beat the whole single player game and/or will not allow it to be internalized in yourself.

And one more note, I’m not a huge Warcraft 3 fan nor am I a huge Warcraft fan in general (although I have played a lot of Warcraft 1-3). I’m only defending the good aspects of this game and not the bad. If you feel it is contrary to your faith as a then by no means should you play it.

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By: Bill /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1407 Bill Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:01:06 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1407 The fact that so many christians are defending playing this game is truly a sad commentary on how weak the church has become. We can so easily justify the sin/rebellion we want to hang on to. ???It???s only a game, I???m not actually casting a spell on someone.??? I would suggest carefully reading Deuteronomy 18:9-13. Divination, witchcraft, interpreting omens, sorcery, casting spells, mediums, spiritists. These things are detestable to the God that we claim to follow. Then I suggest reading Matthew 5:20-48. Here, Jesus himself closes the arguement about not ???actually??? doing these things. There is a very clear confrontation between the things promoted in World of Warcraft and God???s word. You must make a choice. The bottom line is found in 1 John 2:15 The fact that so many christians are defending playing this game is truly a sad commentary on how weak the church has become. We can so easily justify the sin/rebellion we want to hang on to. ???It???s only a game, I???m not actually casting a spell on someone.???
I would suggest carefully reading Deuteronomy 18:9-13.
Divination, witchcraft, interpreting omens, sorcery, casting spells, mediums, spiritists.
These things are detestable to the God that we claim to follow.
Then I suggest reading Matthew 5:20-48.
Here, Jesus himself closes the arguement about not ???actually??? doing these things.
There is a very clear confrontation between the things promoted in World of Warcraft and God???s word. You must make a choice.
The bottom line is found in 1 John 2:15

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By: Theophilus /2008/07/27/warcraft-3/comment-page-1/#comment-1122 Theophilus Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:51:40 +0000 /?p=1135#comment-1122 I don't think Warcraft 3 is really a bad game for Christians. It's more about strategy than it is about some great story. The undead race is pretty ugly but so were the Zerg in Starcraft. To each race it's own plusses and minusses. If a race in the game offends you don't play as it; fight against it! I also recommend Warcraft 2 which is arguably better than Warcraft 3 in some respects (Warcraft 2 has naval battles, the sweet paladin units, etc.) I don’t think Warcraft 3 is really a bad game for Christians. It’s more about strategy than it is about some great story. The undead race is pretty ugly but so were the Zerg in Starcraft. To each race it’s own plusses and minusses. If a race in the game offends you don’t play as it; fight against it!

I also recommend Warcraft 2 which is arguably better than Warcraft 3 in some respects (Warcraft 2 has naval battles, the sweet paladin units, etc.)

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